maxz
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Post by maxz on Sept 6, 2017 9:46:25 GMT 1
Hi guys, we are working on keeping Chara alive, will keep you updated here.
Max
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Post by stefax on Sept 6, 2017 9:59:15 GMT 1
Agree, in 12.24 hours we'll know if we'll be able to keep it back stronger and alive.
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maxz
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Post by maxz on Sept 6, 2017 11:26:19 GMT 1
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Post by reo on Sept 6, 2017 14:26:45 GMT 1
I still believe.. AWS host time runs out?
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Post by motsmileguy on Sept 6, 2017 15:31:56 GMT 1
I still believe.. AWS host time runs out? Amazon web services has been very helpful so far, but they are a large corporation and they keep track of procedures and regulations. They have different departments for each individual task, this will always introduce latency. We are currently waiting for their US office to wake up and get to work and once they have we await them to drink their coffee and see if there is any news for us before we start to harass them At this time we have no timeframe nor do we have any certainty that we can get CBM back online. Please stay tuned here or on the public slack and we will inform you as we have more information
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Post by lutincompris on Sept 6, 2017 17:22:46 GMT 1
Thanks you, I will check here. Good luck !!!
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Post by Pata Negra on Sept 7, 2017 7:34:48 GMT 1
New news?
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maxz
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Post by maxz on Sept 7, 2017 10:07:40 GMT 1
we are working on a solution with AWS but it will take some time to have an answer, so please be patient, we will give you news the same moment we will have it.
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Post by reo on Sept 7, 2017 16:07:16 GMT 1
Big respect for maxz, stef, mot and others to trying survive CBM and for all work you have done for Charazay. This end would be so damn wrong.. So many questions aren't answered.. This community is(was) like family.... and so hurts... i found post in fb did you speak with Lewy after close??
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Post by Alexsoulsay on Sept 7, 2017 17:46:30 GMT 1
Is any chance to break this bad news? Or Lewy said, it is definitiv the end?
Thanks Alexsoulsay (Globetrotters from Most)
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Post by Grimo on Sept 7, 2017 18:01:25 GMT 1
Big respect for maxz, stef, mot and others to trying survive CBM and for all work you have done for Charazay. This end would be so damn wrong.. So many questions aren't answered.. This community is(was) like family.... and so hurts... i found post in fb did you speak with Lewy after close?? Really bad news.
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Post by reo on Sept 7, 2017 18:17:44 GMT 1
It isn't a statement just i post what i found.. so wait for annoucement from our guy(s) who is working with AWS on solution
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Post by motsmileguy on Sept 7, 2017 18:56:29 GMT 1
Good day fellow Charazay enthousiasts,
We the crew have been working hard since our beloved game has gone offline to come up with a solution to resolve this matter. At this moment we can NOT guarantee that the game will be saved. Nonetheless we do bare some good news. Below I will provide a detailed breakdown of our efforts (most done by norv).
1) We have contacted AWS Sales department and their technical department to see if there is a possibility to transfer control of the abandoned assets to a different AWS account, in this case that of Norv. According to our talks with AWS, they have the right to sell abandoned assets as a mean to have their losses covered. But AWS has the right to do so, but will almost never execise that right, to avoid any law suits that it could be involved in. Their Sales department was very helpful in providing us with all the information related to the owner of the account. This sounds like a little thing, but below you will see why this was important.
2) Norv has spent a lot of time researching copyright laws as well as propriety laws of Greece and Cyprus and allowed us to discover a means to legaly acquire a version of CBM and with some actions allow distribution of a new product. This does not involve AWS what so ever and can be done by anybody that wishes to do so. We have been part of CBM for many years and all the persons involved in this matter are part of CBM crew and just doing our work as members of the crew in these troubled times.
When Norv tried to contact Excology Ltd., Cyprus on several occasions his calls as well as mails went unanswered. According to the law when a company with properietary information is not able to be contacted their proprietairy rights are deemed abandoned and become part of the public domain. This now applies to all assets related to our inquiry, being Charazay.
According to the law, it is allowed to use a version of software for communication purposes as long as no financial gain is obtained from that copy (this means no ads and no CBMoney sale). As Lewy never signed any NDA (non-disclosure agreement) with the current owner of the assets (Excology Ltd., Cyprus), it is well within his rights to provide us with a copy as long as it does no harm to the original version (as the game is offline it can't be harmed). From that copy, the person that uses the project for communication purpose must rewrite a minimum amount of 25% (including database) and brand it as a different product. The original product and the new product will not be seen as identical due to the high number of changes. The result of this is that the new product is no longer seen as the original product and allows owner of the new product to monetize this product.
All of this information was obtained by a very hard working Norv, so I wish to congratulate him on his effort and thank him deeply for his devotion. Norv is still trying to negotiate with AWS to allow access to the original location of the project and thus would ensure that the project would be accessible again when visiting the original link (charazay.com .org and any other versions available). This part is a lot more complicated. AWS has a policy of deleting all assests after 90 days and thus it would be complicated to gain access to the location prior to those 90 days.
I know there is a lot of legal stuff above and for those that read it, thank you, took me a lot of time to write it properly. But what does all of this mean in short:
1) The assets of Charazay will soon be considered part of the "public domain" (the assets were abandoned on a group of AWS servers)." Accordingly, the assets can be made available for use by the community. And if someone changes 25% or more of the project, he/she is allowed to distribute and monetize it...
2) Lewy, has the right to transfers a backup of the database and the code to the community for the specific purpose of cleaning up the "deprecated" code. Additionally, the code, now part of the community, can be modified/upgraded and made into a new product. After this, Lewy or those in charge will need to do a lot of work to turn the game into a new product.
This is all the information we have at this moment and once we know more we will let you know. Thank you for your patience and please make sure to thank Norv for all his hard work
your CBM crew, still on duty
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Post by tachibana on Sept 7, 2017 19:37:48 GMT 1
Guys, you are our hope !
Thanks you for all of this Norv, MOT and the crew ! And I just can wish you as luck as possible !
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Post by jbzcasero on Sept 7, 2017 19:58:32 GMT 1
Thanks for your effort.
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